收到史文华老兄寄来的重磅增订版《民谣流域》，花了两月断断续续读完，做个书评，顺便聊聊书里没谈到的地方。
《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：https://talich.fm
时间轴
00:03:55 这本书的核心观念：让摇滚伟大的民谣美学和摇滚精神
00:18:00 关于核心演进逻辑，对旧版的修正
00:19:56 批评一：关于二战期间唱片生产的断代
00:23:59 批评二：关于埃弗利兄弟
00:27:03 批评三：两个翻译问题
00:29:17 民谣和商业作品的共生关系
00:35:04 关于犹太音乐对美国流行音乐的影响
00:43:12 老一代的音乐艺术的评价标准
00:47:50 摇滚需要新的审美标准
00:56:56 摇滚精神和战后一代美国年轻人的身份焦虑
01:03:14 原唱权威性概念的出现
01:05:06 早期的摇滚乐评人和他们的主要观点：Jon Landau，Robert Christgau，Lester Bangs，Greil Marcus，Dave Marsh
01:19:27 Ned Rorem 评披头士
01:26:09 Jon Landau 评斯普林斯汀
01:34:47 摇滚精神开始落后于时代
01:41:08 摇滚精神被滥用
01:44:51 摇滚研究的历史和角度
01:53:56 经典摇滚叙事的问题
02:03:47 解释摇滚音乐出现的多个角度
02:06:30 关于音乐演进的欧美中心制视角
02:16:48 去中心化的全球音乐演进
02:36:03 国际政治和波萨诺瓦
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谈到的书（并没有都读过）：
李皖/史文华. (1998）. 民谣流域：流行音乐的流派和演变之一，中国社会科学出版社.
李皖. (2006). 民谣流域, 江苏人民出版社.
李皖/史文华. (2026). 民谣流域：流行音乐的起源和全球演进, 金城出版社 / 西苑出版社.
Paul Zollo, Behind The Song: “God Bless America” by Irving Berlin, American Songwriter, 2021
Jewface: "Yiddish" Dialect Songs of Tin Pan Alley, YIVO Institute for Jewish Research
The 150 greatest Jewish pop songs of all time, Forward, 2022
Sidran, B. (2021). There was a fire: Jews, music and the American dream (Revised and Updated). Nardis Books.
(2011). Song Is Not the Same: Jews and American Popular Music. Purdue University Press.
William Mann, What Songs The Beatles Sang, The Times, 27 December 1963
Marcus, G. Mystery train: images of America in rock 'n' roll music. 50th Anniversary Edition: 2025, Plume. 中文版(从英文 1990 第三版翻译), 2009, 南京大学出版社.
Marsh, D. (1979). Born to run : the Bruce Springsteen story, Dolphin Books
Marsh, D. & Bernard, J. (1994). The New book of rock lists, Touchstone.
Ned Rorem, The Music of the Beatles, The New York Review, 1968, (后更名为 America and the Beatles，转载于 The London Magazine)
Jon Landau, Growing young with Rock and Roll, The Real Paper, 1974
Miller, J. (1976). The Rolling Stone illustrated history of rock & roll, Rolling Stone Press.
Miller, J. (1999). Flowers in the dustbin: the rise of rock and roll, 1947-1977. Simon & Schuster.
Chapple, S. & Garofalo, R. (1977). Rock 'n' roll is here to pay: the history and politics of the music industry. Nelson-Hall.
Reebee Garofalo, The Genealogy of Pop/Rock Music, updated 2016
Reebee Garofalo, Pop Waves, 2015
Frith, S. (1981). Sound effects: youth, leisure, and the politics of rock'n'roll. Pantheon Books.
Guralnick, P. (1994). Last train to Memphis: the rise of Elvis Presley. Little, Brown, and Co..
Ennis, P. H. (1992). The seventh stream: the emergence of rocknroll in American popular music. Wesleyan University Press.
Everett, W. (2009). The foundations of rock: from Blue suede shoes to Suite : Judy blue eyes. Oxford University Press.
Peterson R. A. Why 1955? Explaining the advent of rock music. Popular Music. 1990;9(1):97-116.
Peterson, R. A. (1997). Creating country music: fabricating authenticity. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. 中文版.
Denning, M. (2015). Noise uprising: the audiopolitics of a world musical revolution. Verso.
Music: A Rose Is a Rose ..., TIME, May 13, 1951
Rose, Rose I Love You: The Story Of One Of China’s Greatest Hits, Barbarian Subject, June 27, 2015
黄奇智 (2000). 时代曲的流光岁月 1930-1970. 三联书店（香港）有限公司.
Attali, J. (1985). Noise: the political economy of music. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. 中文版
相关录音：
Nebraska, Bruce Springsteen 词曲奏唱, 1982, Columbia
Pistol Packin’ Mama, Al Dexter 词曲，Al Dexter 演唱，Al Dexter and His Troopers 伴奏，1943，OKeh
Bye Bye Love, Felice & Boudleaux Bryant 词曲，the Everly Brothers 唱奏，1957，Cadence
Old Folks at Home (Swanee River), Stephen Foster 词曲，Grant Williams/The Robert Shaw Chorale/Robert Shaw 演唱，1959，RCA Victor
God Bless America，Irvin Berlin 词曲，Kate Smith 演唱，Jack Miller 指挥乐队和合唱队，1939，Victor
When Mose with His Nose Leads the Band，Bert Fitzgibbon 词，Jack Drislane/Theodore Morse 曲，Arthur Collins/Byron G. Harlan 演唱，1906，Victor
Back in the USA, Chuck Berry 词曲，MC5 唱奏，1970，Atlantic
Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen 词曲，Bruce Springseen/Ernest "Boom" Carter/Clarence Clemons/Danny Federici/David Sancious/Garry Tallent 演奏，1975，Columbia
Like a Rolling Stone，Bob Dylan 词曲，Bob Dylan/Michael Bloomfield/Al Kooper/Frank Owens/Joseph Macho Jr./Bobby Gregg/Bruce Langhorne 演奏，1965，Columbia
Angel Baby, Rosie Hamlin 词曲，Rosie and the Originals 唱奏，1960，Highland Records
Hound Dog, Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller 词曲，Elvis Presley 演唱，1956，RCA
毛毛雨, 黎錦暉 词曲，黎明暉 演唱，黎锦晖指挥明月音乐会伴奏，1928，百代唱片
毛毛雨, 黎錦暉 词曲，黎明暉 演唱，百代西乐队伴奏，1932，百代唱片
Rose Rose I Love You，Wilfrid Thomas 英文歌词，陈歌辛 作曲，Paul Weston 编曲，Frankie Laine 演唱，The Norman Luboff Choir/Paul Weston & his Orch./C Fischer 伴奏，1951，Columbia
Rose Rose I Love You，吴村作词，陈歌辛作曲，姚莉 演唱，1940，上海百代
May Kway (Rose Rose I Love You)，John Turner 英文歌词，陈歌辛 作曲，Petula Clark 演唱，Frank Chacksfield and His Orchestra 伴奏，1951，Polygon
Rose Rose I Love You，吴村作词，陈歌辛作曲，姚莉 演唱，Ian Widgery Remix，2006，香港百代
